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Whether you're new to the dating scene, a regular player, or jumping back into the game after a long hiatus, the same questions about dating rules apply: How soon do you lean over for that first kiss? Is it too early for a steamy make-out session? And last -- but by no means least -- how do you know when the time is right for sex? Joan Allen, a relationship expert, finds that baby boomers are far more likely to wait to have sex than younger daters.


Last week we published the story of "Joseph", a year-old man who wrote about his regret at missing out on sexual experiences until the age of Many readers wrote to say that his story struck a chord with them - echoing his point that society aggravates the problem by unfairly portraying lonely people as strange or inadequate.

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Robert: I am 61 and still waiting and I am probably too late to start now. I have always been too worried about being laughed at and ridiculed. I finally realised I was unlikely to get anywhere when turned down by a prostitute when in my 30s. I particularly hate comments like: "It's overrated, you aren't missing out on much"; "You can't miss what you've never had"; "Never had a woman!

What are you gay? While I would still like to lose my virginity it is the physical affection I miss most. Joy: Reading this story, I felt many emotions. I recognised myself, as it is the story of my life in many ways. Only, I am female and I have never even kissed a guy, never been on a date.

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What I would like to say is that people like me are not as rare as one might think. Popular culture will have you believe that everyone has a love life, and that is simply not true. Another thing to note is that no-one goes around telling people, "Hey I'm in my 30s and still wonder what kissing feels like. This adds to the impression that everyone dates. A part of the story I can strongly identify with is the strong sense of shame.

I used to live in constant fear that people would find out that I have no dating experience. I felt I was living with a deep, dark secret. But as I got older I stopped caring about what people think. Alex: I lost my "virginity" - a woman loses her virginity, I suggest - a man just has penetrative sex for the first time, but that's another story with a prostitute at the age of I can relate to Joseph's of first-time sex - far from being fumbling and unsatisfactory it was actually really good. I have suffered, and am suffering, all my life from debilitating love shyness, which has completely ruined any chances I may have had of having a satisfying and intimate family life and fathering any children.

I've no doubt that love shyness is a real condition and is not simply a part of social anxiety disorder. I can be quite brave in many social situations but if there is someone I fancy I am completely clueless as to what to do to take it to the next level. It is as if some power has hijacked your brain and your desires and just wants you to stay where you are - single and lonely. I am pleased for Joseph that he overcame his shyness and at least enjoyed a relationship for part of his life.

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Many do not achieve this. I remained a virgin until my late 30s. I have no idea how unusual that is but I experienced a sense of shame, and I felt stigmatised. I was a terribly shy and anxious person, but not isolated. I always had friends but I was never able to translate that into intimate relationships.

At school and sixth form I was surrounded by girls and women, but I never made the kind of move that is probably quite a normal one to make. By the time I reached university, my pattern was set The responses to his story have helped Joseph to make a change in his personal life.

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He has decided, after three years on his own since losing his wife, that he is ready to have a girlfriend, and has ed a few dating sites. Ian: I am a year-old white male.

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I lost my virginity at the age of 31, almost It was something that I rarely talked about and still rarely talk about. Occasionally a female friend would flirt with me, but I would become so flustered that I would try and keep as much distance between myself and them, for fear of someone else discovering my shame. There was an instance when a friend of mine kept attempting to put a move on me and in order to keep that separation I, knowing that she was allergic to peanuts, began carrying around Snickers bars and making a great show of snacking on them.

I began self-identifying as an asexual. The woman who chose to engage with me, I didn't tell about my sexual history, or lack thereof, until after we had sex a few times. It was such an odd conversation. I still feel alone in that experience, of feeling unable, unattractive, unloved, unwanted, and not knowing what I bring to any relationship. K: Reading this story really hit me hard. I am a year-old woman, and I am still a virgin. So much of this man's story sounds so similar to my own. But then, most the time, I feel just fine with my single life.

I mostly think I would like to have had sex just to be "normal". To get it over and done with. I honestly don't know if I will ever lose my virginity.

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Which, I have to admit, is pretty depressing if I stop to think about it Unhappy Soul: I wish I'd lost my virginity at I'm 54 and still waiting for something I know will never come. About 10 years ago I remember sitting with a group of friends over a drink and the subject came up of losing your virginity and I just fled the room when it came to my turn. One of the others came out to find me and they'd assumed I'd had a bad experience of some kind. It didn't occur to them that I had no experience to recount. All I ever wanted from life was to be a husband and a dad.

I have never kissed a girl and certainly never had sex.

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I also have backed away when I have noticed a woman showing what I have interpreted as some interest in me. I have reacted in the same way you do when you pull your hand away from the fire - but it was the opposite of what I wanted. I have always, every day, longed for something that I have succeeded in avoiding my whole life. The closest I came a woman I liked was maybe 30 years ago. She was about 10 years younger and we were seeing each other for a period, as friends.

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We were sitting on my sofa talking about something and I put my arm around her shoulders and she didn't protest. I thought I was dreaming. It couldn't be true. But she wasn't interested in me in that way, so we just stayed friends. Chris: I'm 42, and still a virgin. I get told often it is turned in to a joke that I can just go and pay for it. Get it over with. But to me, that lacks any affection, there's no emotional intimacy in it, not even just simple caring.

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And I would like at least that. I feel like I am different from other people. Often made fun of by people who know.

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To be blunt, sometimes it makes me feel like I must be a monster. I work and do volunteer work as well, go to classes and interest groups, but meeting someone who accepts me, even meeting someone to talk with, just never happens. I just feel extremely alone, and, I guess, forgotten, in this world. David: I am 45 years of age and still a virgin. I do not advertise the fact in general, so there are not many people who know it.

I feel like the assumption is by this point that of course you will have lost it. I still remember when the film The Year-Old-Virgin come out, and I was mortified by it then, only being in my 30s. The advertising and premise of the film I never saw it made it sound like it was an absolutely enormous deal - like the titular character were some astounding aberration. I sympathise deeply with Joseph's story of not being touched for years. My diet of touch is limited to handshakes and the very occasional hug from friends who are comfortable doing so.

I live over km from my nearest relative, so family touch is limited to once or twice a year.

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By this point, I feel like a of women possibly most of them! At times, I wonder that about myself. Ikram: I can relate to this story.

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